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I want a KNPV working line long haired DS

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harrison
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Tell us about yourself: I just moved to a house on a cove in Maine. I want a KNPV working line longhaired DS as a pet.

I want a KNPV working line long haired DS

Post by harrison » Tue Dec 09, 2014 11:08 pm

I know that this is not a common dog. Vandalia Kennels sometimes gets one of these pups; I don't know how frequent this is and am waiting to hear back. I would certainly be interested in the litter from Finland if it were not from so long ago.

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Re: I want a KNPV working line long haired DS

Post by karenz » Wed Dec 10, 2014 4:46 am

Hello. Welcome. Can you give us a little introduction? I couldn't find where you posted one. As for your question I cannot recommend a long hair ds breeder. I have a ds from Vandalia kennel who has long hair but is not a 100% long haired as far as FCI registered or as far as exactly to the long hair breed standard. He just has long hair compared to the typical short hair ds.
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Re: I want a KNPV working line long haired DS

Post by LyonsFamily » Sat Dec 13, 2014 1:07 am

I know of a working rough haired litter coming up.

For longhairs, you're probably going to need to look into one coming from working tervurens. They're not usually referred to as long hairs though, and the FCI longhaired breeders typically won't use them in their programs and don't consider them "pure". Jett from Land of Oz is a heavily used sire in the US producing some dogs with long hair. There's a dog on here, Riddick, that has longer hair and is from a Jett Son, I believe.

I'd start with this dog on pedigree database https://www.pedigreedatabase.com/dutch_ ... 733-winnie and work through offspring to locate the different kennels using dogs carrying on that line. As far as I know, she's behind most of the longer hair dogs in the US that aren't FCI longhairs.
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Tell us about yourself: My name is Karen and I have a dutch shepherd, Xander, born 6/14/13. He is my second dutch shepherd. My first was Rawly. Even though Xander is my second I still have a lot to learn. That is why I'm here, to learn, get advice, and meet people who love these guys as much as I do.
Location: NC

Re: I want a KNPV working line long haired DS

Post by karenz » Sat Dec 13, 2014 1:17 am

I thought I would post a couple pics of Xander for you since you mentioned Vandalia. Xander is is Timo x Soco pup. Like I said, not a true certified long hair but definitely a fuzzy feller. I love the fuzzy.
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Re: I want a KNPV working line long haired DS

Post by LyonsFamily » Sat Dec 13, 2014 6:24 am

karenz wrote:I thought I would post a couple pics of Xander for you since you mentioned Vandalia. Xander is is Timo x Soco pup. Like I said, not a true certified long hair but definitely a fuzzy feller. I love the fuzzy.
Do you by chance have a link to a pedigree for Xander I just want to look at overlapping dogs and see how closely or not closely Xander is related to other fuzzy dogs I've seen and researched. I have no problem finding Timo, but I can't find Soco's side. I'll admit, I didn't try really hard after running into a website with screaming techno music while try to feed the dogs and forcing myself into a big head ache, but I'm still really curious.
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Tell us about yourself: My name is Karen and I have a dutch shepherd, Xander, born 6/14/13. He is my second dutch shepherd. My first was Rawly. Even though Xander is my second I still have a lot to learn. That is why I'm here, to learn, get advice, and meet people who love these guys as much as I do.
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Re: I want a KNPV working line long haired DS

Post by karenz » Sat Dec 13, 2014 2:20 pm

LyonsFamily wrote:Do you by chance have a link to a pedigree for Xander I just want to look at overlapping dogs and see how closely or not closely Xander is related to other fuzzy dogs
I didn't see Soco on the pedigree database either. I'm not sure why, I guess they just didn't add her. She is from Land of Oz Izzy and Paco VD Vastenow of Vandalia according to his papers. I'm pretty sure they are on the database.

I know I have looked up some of the names on his papers and seen a mixture of brindle and fawn and short hair and long hair. I don't know enough about the different lines for any of it to really mean anything to me.
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Re: I want a KNPV working line long haired DS

Post by vicken » Sun Dec 27, 2015 4:53 pm

Ooooh, exciting. Your beautiful longish-haired dog, Xander, is a Timo pup! And almost silver? My Inti is a Timo daughter out of an "unknown" ie untitled bitch, first liter, but coming along very nicely and very classic conformation. Paco's original name was something else; he was bred in Finland I believe, but came from a Swedish breeder. Vandalia has been very happy with him, although the importer was not, and therefor got rid of him. I am planing to breed Inti to a Swedish dog (We are Swedish although live in California) in a year or so. I am happy that there might be a longer haired dog in the litter. I would love to have a silver DS, though, but not till I retire. I value temperament over other traits (ergo the plan for a Swedish breeder) and would be delighted to learn about the lines of dogs with silver.
There are quite a few long-haired DS in Sweden (better there than here with our 110 degree summers) and most of the Swedish breeders would consider export. The webpage there is http://www.rhh.se/
even without the language skills, you can look at the various pictures and contact the breeders, most speak English just fine.
These are the longhaired champions http://www.rhh.se/Langhars-Champions
and these are the longhair breeders kennels http://www.rhh.se/Resultat-2014
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Re: I want a KNPV working line long haired DS

Post by Mark77 » Fri Apr 08, 2016 4:42 am

I'd categorize my dog Riddick as a longhair as far as KNPV lines go. A true long hair Dutch Shepherd would be among the FCI dogs but they aren't bred for the same reasons. I don't know if any of Riddick's pups came out with long hair, hoping I'd hear back about them.

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/dutch_s ... egalleries

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Re: I want a KNPV working line long haired DS

Post by Joahgod » Fri Aug 04, 2017 8:40 pm

karenz wrote:
Sat Dec 13, 2014 1:17 am
I thought I would post a couple pics of Xander for you since you mentioned Vandalia. Xander is is Timo x Soco pup. Like I said, not a true certified long hair but definitely a fuzzy feller. I l

How do you know if you have a true long haired ds? Here's some pictures of mine. Her name is koda
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Short and sweet here- I'm a father of 2 boys, a carpenter, hunter, runner. We have extensive experience with sled dogs, shepherd mixes, a wolf hybrid, and our current dog a 95# long haired Shiloh Shepherd. I'm looking for a more energetic dog that had the same intelligence and trainability. I'm interested in advice, opinions, and a place to share experiences.
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Re: I want a KNPV working line long haired DS

Post by TimL_168 » Fri Aug 04, 2017 10:04 pm

I might have info for Soco. I'll check this eve.
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Tell us about yourself: Hi,
Short and sweet here- I'm a father of 2 boys, a carpenter, hunter, runner. We have extensive experience with sled dogs, shepherd mixes, a wolf hybrid, and our current dog a 95# long haired Shiloh Shepherd. I'm looking for a more energetic dog that had the same intelligence and trainability. I'm interested in advice, opinions, and a place to share experiences.
Location: central MD

Re: I want a KNPV working line long haired DS

Post by TimL_168 » Fri Aug 04, 2017 10:10 pm

Just realized it's an OLD thread. Feel dumb...
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Re: I want a KNPV working line long haired DS

Post by Joxgirl » Sun Aug 06, 2017 6:24 am

TimL_168 wrote:
Fri Aug 04, 2017 10:10 pm
Just realized it's an OLD thread. Feel dumb...
Lol. Every time I read an old thread and see the date that state dates from years ago I laugh at myself. I laugh because I read a lot of the responses and I wonder how I missed so much chatter. Most of it happened long before I came along.
You were kind Tim, to want to help.
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