rocker665 wrote:I had a friend of mine check out the kennel weather or not there liars about the titles i couldn't tell you. I'm simply looking for a pet quality dog at a decent price, the kennel checked out to be a legit kennel so i shouldn't get screwed over on the dog. I'm taking 100% precautions on this puppy but i am going to buy a Fawn Colored male dog from them i should have by December 20th. ill let you guys know more info as i found out. but for pet quality dogs she seems to be the cheapest Ive found without getting too cheep for the breed. Thank you for all the Advice and replying to my post i really appreciate it! Wish me luck
asheleylane wrote:Thanks Judith, trying to keep my mouth shut here but I have to add
Also, a fawn dog is a x malinois... just as a brindle KNPV line dog is considered a x Dutch Shepherd. People calling fawn dogs Dutch Shepherds are pretty much trying to make money without even having stripes, and often justify their breeding practices by saying "that is what the Dutch KNPV breeders do". True, and two brindle dogs can produce fawn offspring, but also in Holland - they call the fawn dogs x malinois, and they also make no claims about breeding "FCI" or "pedigreed" Dutch shepherds, the point is to breed the best working dogs.
rocker665 wrote:I had a friend of mine check out the kennel...
aachendutchshepherds wrote: The only way to get solid black DS is by piss poor breeding practices, ie, inbreeding continually INTO THE SAME GENEPOOL, grandsons, granddaughters etc...all back into the same family lines with no new infusion of an outcross line~but oops, I forget, how would they know that if YOU DIDN"T HAVE A PEDIGREE, sorry, getting tired of sugar coating the truth, OR, by introducing a dominant black gened dog into the breed, such as I don't know, Great dane, black lab, black GSD, gee, what other black dog breeds are there out there that can express the black coat phenotypically~and the last option to produce "solid black DS", minutely so, with the very small percentage 1% I believe it is or less, or a SHOW line of black Belgian Malinois~and by most people's arguments, the odds of a SHOW line mixing in with a WORKING line are like mixing poo and icecream~so THAT possibility seems very remote......
In Europe, they recommend using the Belgian Malinois about every third generation to keep the "Dutch a Dutch". All these dogs are from the same family tree, just became specialize due to coat color or type, and sometimes location of where the dog was created.
Unlike other breeders who get the solid fawn colored Dutch Shepherd puppies, and pass them off as "Malinois", as it is quite frankly I would imagine easier to do that than to explain the Mendelian Laws of Inheritance, the recessive red gene coloration, and as I explain to all my clients that are doing business with us~the "malinois" colored DS is a recessive gene type expressed phenotypically, as genetically, obviously, there is a recessive red gene at work in most lines of KNPV DS~not all~due to the fact that in Europe, they DO use the Belgian Malinois in the KNPV lines to 1) keep the work drives up
2) keep the size of the dog up 3) keep the brindle coloration I am asked if our dogs that are solid colored then are Belgian Malinois' to which I respond, Noooo...they are DUTCH SHEPHERD via breeding/bloodlines~layman's analogy~like if you breed two spotted appaloosa horses together, and get a solid colored foal~it is STILL an Appaloosa by breeding~it doesn't become an Arabian or Thoroughbred, just because it didn't spot out, or "change breeds".
We just imported an FCI bitch, she is excellent on the hips and tops on the back, she is IPO I, II, and III ~sorry Judith, if this offends, but yes, there are ALOT of people new to the sports of working dogs that would NOT automatically "know" that a dog first has to have an I or a II to get a III
Bottom line is~I'm here to tell you, that my dogs and I are here to stay, and you'll be hearing from us for years to come. Now I've got to get off this forum, and answer an email from a police officer who is a dogfriend/client of ours, deployed overseas with a private firm, wanting to visit about training up explosive detection dogs for them. And I guarantee you will be hearing about the super placements of our dogs for years to come. Anybody that is getting a puppy from us, is welcome to our client reference list of contacts. If this is all what you guys have to do with your Dutch Shepherd forum~I'm way too busy to fool around with this type of time wasting aggravation.
aachendutchshepherds wrote:Rescues are all fine and good I guess if you want a reject or problem dog generally! We have seen enough of them, and not just this breed, but many breeds,~matter of fact, my husband and I traveled to do a "leg" of a foster drive for a dog coming out of TX into OK into foster care~all coordinated thru California with Trudy~one of her fosters asked me for the favor, as he is a client of ours and has not only been here, but also has brought several of HIS clients here to get their DS pups from us~we fostered or housed, or whatever term you want to use for the couple of days we had him~and honestly, THAT dog should have been euthanized. He was a typical American bred junk dog. Oversized, wide as a picket fence, disposition like a rattlesnake, ugly, ugly, ugly~and oh yeah, but he was "brindled",
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