I have re-read the posts~ironically, I've actually recommended people to you Asheley, when I have not had a pup available at the time they needed one. Just in the last couple weeks, I spoke with a lady that has Leonbergers (spelling)~and she asked me to recommend another reputable breeder, and I gave her your information. Perhaps you have spoken with her? She said she wasn't going to be ready to think about getting another pup for probably another 6 months to a year. Lovely lady~she had imported her Leonburger from Ireland.
The exception I guess I take with your posts~the timing and placement~is that the IMPLICATION is that through the advice you posted, but since this topic was about our kennel, the "read between the lines" subliminal message or inference/parallel to draw is, and especially since you also capitalize certain words, is to imply that we have perhaps unhealthy or dysplastic dogs. Not only do every one of our pups have their USDA health inspection certificate before they leave here, whether they are flown or people drive in to get their pups, but we STAND BEHIND OUR DOGS~with complete genetic health, hip and elbow, and even working guarantees.
~further, you then advise someone to consider to adopt a rescue~as an alternative to getting a pup! Again, since this question was from a client of ours, whom by the way, yes Chris, or rocker665, I did just receive your deposit, thankyou~babies are doing wonderful~that perhaps someone should consider a rescue instead. Rescues are all fine and good I guess if you want a reject or problem dog generally! We have seen enough of them, and not just this breed, but many breeds,~matter of fact, my husband and I traveled to do a "leg" of a foster drive for a dog coming out of TX into OK into foster care~all coordinated thru California with Trudy~one of her fosters asked me for the favor, as he is a client of ours and has not only been here, but also has brought several of HIS clients here to get their DS pups from us~we fostered or housed, or whatever term you want to use for the couple of days we had him~and honestly, THAT dog should have been euthanized. He was a typical American bred junk dog. Oversized, wide as a picket fence, disposition like a rattlesnake, ugly, ugly, ugly~and oh yeah, but he was "brindled", but I've seen too many American breds that look like a cross between a pitbull and ??, a hounddog and ???, a German Shepherd and ???~pretty much, whatever throws a brindle coat pattern~by golly, it's a "Dutch Shepherd". I would think that the DS community would be excited to have "new blood" introduced from Europe into generally what overall has been a very inbred, closed genepool found here in the US. But, that's also another way to get those "fashionable" black DS that lately seems to be the color fad of choice or request~I tell those inquires there is no such animal. The only way to get solid black DS is by piss poor breeding practices, ie, inbreeding continually INTO THE SAME GENEPOOL, grandsons, granddaughters etc...all back into the same family lines with no new infusion of an outcross line~but oops, I forget, how would they know that if YOU DIDN"T HAVE A PEDIGREE, sorry, getting tired of sugar coating the truth, OR, by introducing a dominant black gened dog into the breed, such as I don't know, Great dane, black lab, black GSD, gee, what other black dog breeds are there out there that can express the black coat phenotypically~and the last option to produce "solid black DS", minutely so, with the very small percentage 1% I believe it is or less, or a SHOW line of black Belgian Malinois~and by most people's arguments, the odds of a SHOW line mixing in with a WORKING line are like mixing poo and icecream~so THAT possibility seems very remote...... The variety and quality of the domestic bloodlines has recently become better~directly due to the importation of new European dogs~however~we prefer to "go to the wellspring" of the breed, where they created, maintain and set the standard FOR the breed~that is why we have European dogs. PERIOD. In Europe, they recommend using the Belgian Malinois about every third generation to keep the "Dutch a Dutch". All these dogs are from the same family tree, just became specialize due to coat color or type, and sometimes location of where the dog was created.
Unlike other breeders who get the solid fawn colored Dutch Shepherd puppies, and pass them off as "Malinois", as it is quite frankly I would imagine easier to do that than to explain the Mendelian Laws of Inheritance, the recessive red gene coloration, and as I explain to all my clients that are doing business with us~the "malinois" colored DS is a recessive gene type expressed phenotypically, as genetically, obviously, there is a recessive red gene at work in most lines of KNPV DS~not all~due to the fact that in Europe, they DO use the Belgian Malinois in the KNPV lines to 1) keep the work drives up
2) keep the size of the dog up 3) keep the brindle coloration I am asked if our dogs that are solid colored then are Belgian Malinois' to which I respond, Noooo...they are DUTCH SHEPHERD via breeding/bloodlines~layman's analogy~like if you breed two spotted appaloosa horses together, and get a solid colored foal~it is STILL an Appaloosa by breeding~it doesn't become an Arabian or Thoroughbred, just because it didn't spot out, or "change breeds".
Yes, absoluetly, we are always striving for top working dogs, for us and our clients~we have both KNPV and FCI~and I've often found true too that "those that do not have it, knock it"~especially that excuse of "oh, we don't care about papers or pedigree, we just care about a working dog"~well, without the pedigree, how in the HECK do you know what you have, other than a mutt, I call bloodlines, pedigrees, all of it, "the blueprint to the future", as through the pedigree, you can tell, longevity, temperament, soundness issues, size at maturation, drives, or inheritable traits such as a "simple" thing as do the dogs have strong ear cartilage to have "erect eared" pups versus "flop eared" dogs, etc..
You're right though, if I just wanted "mutts"~I wouldn't have wasted my time or money with going to Europe repeatedly or having dogs flown in here~I would have bought American breds. THERE IS A DIFFERENCE IN DOGS~from anything usually "American bred" versus dogs "European bred"~and you can apply that statement to about ANY breed of dog. The HARDEST obstacle I had to overcome was the Americans who came before, or what Americans tend to do with all breeds of dogs~is to colorize, super size or tiny-ize it, can't leave well enough alone. The Europeans flat told me to my face that "we Americans are no good, we ruin dogs". Hard to argue that point overall, generally. OBVIOUSLY~they must have realized my devotion, seriousness and passion for their Dutch Shepherds. As for those of you that do not know "how it works" over there, pretty much if they like and approve of you, then they may think about letting you purchase one of their dogs~maybe."
We just imported an FCI bitch, she is excellent on the hips and tops on the back, she is IPO I, II, and III ~sorry Judith, if this offends, but yes, there are ALOT of people new to the sports of working dogs that would NOT automatically "know" that a dog first has to have an I or a II to get a III first~she is to die for, she is EVERYTHING a Dutch Shepherd should be~she is what we and everyone else should aspire to for the breed~and here's the kicker. BECAUSE OF OUR REPUTATION~the owners FLEW THE DOG TO US FIRST, on the verbal agreement of payment for her. Can you imagine someone doing that~to fly a dog halfway around the world to someone they had not met, but because of an introduction from another person we have received dogs from, and boarded them to be trained and titled, etc...send the dog to us with the promise to pay. I too have my "dog or puppy payments"~to the tune of alittle under a 1000. a month~so you can danged sure gosh darn bet I'm more than alittle agitated over any slurry comments or inferences made. Or put it this way, my dogs aren't the only ones who can be a bitch~and what a shame and waste of emotion, time and energy, I had much happier plans and thoughts today than have to address another somewhat both veiled, and direct attempt, to cause my kennel, my dogs, my everything, what I have literally devoted my life to, and every day of every week of every month and year, day in and day out.
I've never tried to make any of this personal, but "enough is enough". I will INVEST more in our latest European arrival, and have been, for the past 8 months, and will continue to, for the next six months, than what most people spend monthly on their house note. I do put my money where my mouth is~the financial investment we have in our dogs alone, would cause most people to faint. Most people don't, won't, or can't do that. I also in the same breath say that we have worked hard a lifetime, and work hard everyday, and we are blessed and fortunate to be able to travel to Europe or even afford the calibre of dogs we have and offer folks pups from~so you'll have to forgive me if I get alittle testy when my efforts or kennel or dogs are ridiculed, put down, questioned or maligned. I take EXTREME offense to that. Judith~I have always commented with people about what a great accomplishment your dog~what's his name, Nico, Nero?? I forget, but what an accomplishment for him to, if I have that correct, come from Europe, be trained here, than go back to Europe and win his KNPV title? Actually, I had both phoned and emailed you originally years ago when I was looking for Dutch Shepherds~but I didn't even get the courtesy of either a return phone call or email response from you, even so much as to say.."thanks for asking, but we don't have anything available right now, etc..or even a referral to another breeder, say, Asheley, or someone else." But, since I really didn't want to go thru any "middleman or woman"~everyone kept telling me get ahold of Filo or Marcos or I forget now who that I think you work with~but again, I didn't want to be sold a brokered dog~as we all know the saying there~generally, they are the culls and rejects!
Bottom line is~I'm here to tell you, that my dogs and I are here to stay, and you'll be hearing from us for years to come. Now I've got to get off this forum, and answer an email from a police officer who is a dogfriend/client of ours, deployed overseas with a private firm, wanting to visit about training up explosive detection dogs for them. And I guarantee you will be hearing about the super placements of our dogs for years to come. Anybody that is getting a puppy from us, is welcome to our client reference list of contacts. If this is all what you guys have to do with your Dutch Shepherd forum~I'm way too busy to fool around with this type of time wasting aggravation.