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"Bak" update
- Marjolein
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"Bak" update
maybe better to start our own topic on the "go-to-bin" project
Today we came to the "slow down" point where it got hard for the first time
Ivil started to play with her toys instead of putting them in the basket Now what... decided best thing to do is wait, no click, no attention, no nothing. Once she was trough slamming herself in the chest with the ball-on-a-rope we could move on. She dropped it in the basket as much as next to it.
Mmmhh, no click for dropping it next to it got her confused, and frustrated, so she started playing again with another squeeky toy (>squeek< ... >squeek< ...>squeek< ...>squeek<>squeek<>squeek< )
I then decided to go back to just one toy, no noisy one or one with rope. She would put her head in the basket while holding the rope, the ball dangling outside of the basket, she dropped it, and it fell next to it ofcourse...
Back to a plane ol' ball, this was better/easier. She did not get it right away, but after 6 times or so, she seemed to understand it had to fall in the basket. I moved the basket to the other side of me, and she did try to drop it in the basket, when it did, lots of treats and finished for today!
Tomorrow I'm free all day, so we can practice severeal short times.
Today we came to the "slow down" point where it got hard for the first time
Ivil started to play with her toys instead of putting them in the basket Now what... decided best thing to do is wait, no click, no attention, no nothing. Once she was trough slamming herself in the chest with the ball-on-a-rope we could move on. She dropped it in the basket as much as next to it.
Mmmhh, no click for dropping it next to it got her confused, and frustrated, so she started playing again with another squeeky toy (>squeek< ... >squeek< ...>squeek< ...>squeek<>squeek<>squeek< )
I then decided to go back to just one toy, no noisy one or one with rope. She would put her head in the basket while holding the rope, the ball dangling outside of the basket, she dropped it, and it fell next to it ofcourse...
Back to a plane ol' ball, this was better/easier. She did not get it right away, but after 6 times or so, she seemed to understand it had to fall in the basket. I moved the basket to the other side of me, and she did try to drop it in the basket, when it did, lots of treats and finished for today!
Tomorrow I'm free all day, so we can practice severeal short times.
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Re: "Bak" update
Good for you and Ivil! It is so hard to wait it out while they go through the frustration. i know that I am practically holding my breath to see whether they will get the idea or give up first.
Let us know how it goes tomorrow!
Let us know how it goes tomorrow!
Lauren from Western NC
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Re: "Bak" update
Good thinkin', Lincoln!Marjolein wrote: Back to a plane ol' ball, this was better/easier.
I alway start with little things that aren't as challenging as a ball on a rope. Even now, when Geyser's putting away her toys at nite, one of which is a "rag" (cut off sleeve from a sweatshirt with a knot tied on one end), she'll rush up to the basket, drop the "rag," maybe it makes it in, maybe not . I just stand there and wait...she'll look back, see it, try again. She's always in such a rush! (She has to put all her toys away before she can "help" me do the nightly vacuuming, which she loves )
You and Ivil have gotten this one so quickly!
leih merigian
Vrijheid's H'Geyser
Zodiac vom Younghaus (over the bridge)
Central VA (near Charlottesville)
It's never too late to have a happy childhood...
Vrijheid's H'Geyser
Zodiac vom Younghaus (over the bridge)
Central VA (near Charlottesville)
It's never too late to have a happy childhood...
- alspyce
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Also have a horse-old quarter horse mare-32.
Can't wait for all the snow to get gone! Spring is coming too slow this year! - Location: Corinth, New York
Re: "Bak" update
I love your descriptions of training woes, makes me laugh from the way you tell it. You will have to get some pictures!
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Chris Carlton/Lyric
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Re: "Bak" update
Totally in awe. I am still trying to teach a husband to pick up after himself. Once I got that, I think I might try to graduate to dogs, but if I cannot teach a human, how much luck would I have with the 4 legged species?
(answer: the 4 leggeds are a LOT easier!)
(answer: the 4 leggeds are a LOT easier!)
Judith Van Neerland Dutch Shepherds
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Sugar looks like a miniature Dutch Shepherd with floppy ears, and has every ounce of DS traits in her little body!
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Re: "Bak" update
That is one reason why I love spending time with my four legged one...much easier to train!!
Sue (and Sugar)
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Re: "Bak" update
Mmmh, I believe I'm that 2 legged creature in the house that cannot be taught how to clean up But hey, if I can use my dogs for it, what's the big deal? Next trick will be vacuming
lousy pics, kinda hard focusing on Ivil and the clicker in one hand, camera in the other, you can see by the way she is looking at me "what's with the camera, we are training!" haha
"Pwut dwonw twe cwam! We warr twaining!"
"bak!"
into the basket, (I started by throwing the treat into the basket so she is looking for the treat after dropping the ball )
"Happy now?"
on the way with the second toy...
owww, missed... no click
attempt 2...yes, the toy made it to the basket!!! >click< treat
lousy pics, kinda hard focusing on Ivil and the clicker in one hand, camera in the other, you can see by the way she is looking at me "what's with the camera, we are training!" haha
"Pwut dwonw twe cwam! We warr twaining!"
"bak!"
into the basket, (I started by throwing the treat into the basket so she is looking for the treat after dropping the ball )
"Happy now?"
on the way with the second toy...
owww, missed... no click
attempt 2...yes, the toy made it to the basket!!! >click< treat
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- Tell us about yourself: I adopted a Dutch Shepherd mix (without knowing what she was) from the SPCA here in Victoria BC and am now trying to learn everything I can about this breed. My husband and I work from home most of the time so I thought it was time to get a puppy! We have his 2 boys here half the time and we wanted a nice family dog.
Sugar looks like a miniature Dutch Shepherd with floppy ears, and has every ounce of DS traits in her little body!
I hope to learn from other DS owners and share doggy experiences. - Location: Victoria BC
- alspyce
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Also have a horse-old quarter horse mare-32.
Can't wait for all the snow to get gone! Spring is coming too slow this year! - Location: Corinth, New York
Re: "Bak" update
Figured that out long ago!vneerland wrote:Totally in awe. I am still trying to teach a husband to pick up after himself. Once I got that, I think I might try to graduate to dogs, but if I cannot teach a human, how much luck would I have with the 4 legged species?
(answer: the 4 leggeds are a LOT easier!)
"Until one has loved an animal, a part of one's soul remains unawakened." Anatole France
Chris Carlton/Lyric
Chris Carlton/Lyric
- alspyce
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Also have a horse-old quarter horse mare-32.
Can't wait for all the snow to get gone! Spring is coming too slow this year! - Location: Corinth, New York
Re: "Bak" update
Ivil is wanting you to focus! How can she train you to feed her if you are fooling with the camera and not paying proper attention?
"Until one has loved an animal, a part of one's soul remains unawakened." Anatole France
Chris Carlton/Lyric
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- Marjolein
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Re: "Bak" update
It's all your fault!! You guys made me take pictures From now on, no more picsalspyce wrote:Ivil is wanting you to focus! How can she train you to feed her if you are fooling with the camera and not paying proper attention?
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Re: "Bak" update
Ivil is so cool, putting those toys in the "bak". You can actually see her thinking about what she is doing
Barbara, Odin & Kai
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Re: "Bak" update
great pics!
I have the same problem with my video camera, tho it's a flip and a little easier than a camera, since once you turn it on, you just hold it...still too much to try to focus on, eh?
Ivil is very funny!
I have the same problem with my video camera, tho it's a flip and a little easier than a camera, since once you turn it on, you just hold it...still too much to try to focus on, eh?
Ivil is very funny!
leih merigian
Vrijheid's H'Geyser
Zodiac vom Younghaus (over the bridge)
Central VA (near Charlottesville)
It's never too late to have a happy childhood...
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It's never too late to have a happy childhood...
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Re: "Bak" update
Judith, 4-legged trumps 2-legged trainees anytime! After nearly 40 yrs with the ol' man, I've given up and that old dog ain't learning no new ones for sure. May be why I enjoy training the dogs so much!
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Re: "Bak" update
we have moved on a bit, we had to hang in for a bit for the dropping things in the basket for a while. She would usually do the first 3 drops 100%, and than suddenly decide it is time to bring it to me again. As much as she wanted to do it right, it never occured to her to go to the basket. I had to help her by moving to the basket, or kicking the basket to focus her on it. This forced me to be next to the basket, and I wanted it to be away from me, sending her to it. So we had to practice over a week before she was ready to have the basket moved further and further away from me.
Now we have gotten to the point where she seems to start to really get the idea, "I have to drop things in it". Even picking it up when it falls out and putting it back into the basket real gently
Today I have combined 2 games, we hide stuff in the living room (keyrings, bracelet, old watch, little car toy, coin etc) and they have to search and bring it. So for Ivil today she had to search and drop all 10 items into the basket, all went in!! I did put the basket right next to me for this first time, next time I will move it 1 dog-length (haha) away from me.
Now we have gotten to the point where she seems to start to really get the idea, "I have to drop things in it". Even picking it up when it falls out and putting it back into the basket real gently
Today I have combined 2 games, we hide stuff in the living room (keyrings, bracelet, old watch, little car toy, coin etc) and they have to search and bring it. So for Ivil today she had to search and drop all 10 items into the basket, all went in!! I did put the basket right next to me for this first time, next time I will move it 1 dog-length (haha) away from me.
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Re: "Bak" update
sounds like a great game!
(I think moving too quickly is the bane of most of us; it sure is for me )
leih merigian
Vrijheid's H'Geyser
Zodiac vom Younghaus (over the bridge)
Central VA (near Charlottesville)
It's never too late to have a happy childhood...
Vrijheid's H'Geyser
Zodiac vom Younghaus (over the bridge)
Central VA (near Charlottesville)
It's never too late to have a happy childhood...
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- Tell us about yourself: I adopted a Dutch Shepherd mix (without knowing what she was) from the SPCA here in Victoria BC and am now trying to learn everything I can about this breed. My husband and I work from home most of the time so I thought it was time to get a puppy! We have his 2 boys here half the time and we wanted a nice family dog.
Sugar looks like a miniature Dutch Shepherd with floppy ears, and has every ounce of DS traits in her little body!
I hope to learn from other DS owners and share doggy experiences. - Location: Victoria BC
Re: "Bak" update
Sounds like great progress! I know patience isn't my favorite thing either but you guys are getting there. Very cool!
Sue (and Sugar)
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Also have a horse-old quarter horse mare-32.
Can't wait for all the snow to get gone! Spring is coming too slow this year! - Location: Corinth, New York
Re: "Bak" update
Nice! (big reward= )
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Re: "Bak" update
Fact - Dogs can differentiate and retain in memory over 350 english words associated with commands and objects. Don't be afraid to use short proper names to specify objects to pick up. You probably knew this already, but it bears mentioning for those who don't!Marjolein wrote:we have moved on a bit, we had to hang in for a bit for the dropping things in the basket for a while. She would usually do the first 3 drops 100%, and than suddenly decide it is time to bring it to me again. As much as she wanted to do it right, it never occured to her to go to the basket. I had to help her by moving to the basket, or kicking the basket to focus her on it. This forced me to be next to the basket, and I wanted it to be away from me, sending her to it. So we had to practice over a week before she was ready to have the basket moved further and further away from me.
Now we have gotten to the point where she seems to start to really get the idea, "I have to drop things in it". Even picking it up when it falls out and putting it back into the basket real gently
Today I have combined 2 games, we hide stuff in the living room (keyrings, bracelet, old watch, little car toy, coin etc) and they have to search and bring it. So for Ivil today she had to search and drop all 10 items into the basket, all went in!! I did put the basket right next to me for this first time, next time I will move it 1 dog-length (haha) away from me.
(p.s. Excellent job too!)
Disclaimer: This post is not intended to send anyone to grief counseling, or a mental trauma hospital. The information in this post is intended for "informational purposes only", and is a product of my own opinion.
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