Dutch Shepherd Forum

MJM wrote: ↑Tue Jul 17, 2018 4:17 am please let me know if it would be best placed elsewhere.

This is a perfect addition to the discussion. It's interesting for two reasons:

1. It seems that Viaguard does have DS in their database. It appeared that only Wisdom had it previously.
2. Their presentation of results are different, and somewhat ambivalent. One of the parents was likely a purebred, but does not contribute >=50%?

So, mostly shepherd with a little greyhound. Is she fast?

My understanding of the Level 2 (one parent possibly a purebred) is that it can contribute more than 50% of the dog’s DNA, but less than 75% - and Viaguard consider 75% the cutoff to say that the dog has a ‘majority’ of one breed’s DNA.

Their specific wording is:
Level 1
This category is intended to help owners recognize when their pet's DNA contains a majority of a specific breed (75% or greater). If your dog has a strong match to one of our validated breeds, then it is categorized as Level 1. Most mixed breed dogs will not usually have a breed in this category unless one or both of their parents are purebred.

Level 2

This category reports breeds that are easily recognizable within your dog. While these breeds may have a strong influence on your pet, each breed listed makes up less than the majority of your dog's DNA, between 37%-74%. This usually means one of the parents was a purebred.

In Raven I would say the greyhound is fairly submerged. I can’t see it physically. If I had to speculate I would say it comes out in heightened timidity (although I’m still trying to untangle this from shepherd aloofness/protectiveness and deficiencies in socialisation during the critical period), as well as her being a ‘sprinter’ rather than an ‘endurance athlete’. There is no sign in her of the boundless energy often ascribed to Dutch Shepherds.

The shepherd I can see is her implacable protectiveness of our house and campsite (which is still at problematic levels). I still don’t know enough about drive to give a good assessment of what hers is like - but I’m learning all the time.

Oh, i really do have to test my girl. She is european line, longhaired and she has papers. I strongly believe she has nothing but dutchie in his parents and grandparents. Oh well, couple shorthaired in the ancestors so would be mal too i guess. Maybe.

Also no hyper or high energylvl here either. Quite opposite. But as i have been seeing, dogs outside europe tend to be more mixes with mal. And mal is hyper here also, every mals i have seen are fierce ball fetch lunatics and aloof with strangers with endles energylevels.
Dutchies i have seen here, and i have seen many short and longhaired, are more calm and submissive than outside eu where they tend to put more mal or other in to have that kick for protection training.
Here is almost nothing to try to do protection work if ur dog has no papers. And paöers u wont get if theres much mix in there, then puppies are not *pure* and have to register other register which leads still proplems with training here, why train cause u cant compete.

centrop67 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 02, 2018 1:15 pm Leela:
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Leela is a GORGEOUS girl!

I got Bruno from rescue in 2015, I was told he was a KNPV Dutch but was skeptical and always suspected that he had some sight hound in him. I finally did the wisdom panel and nope, no greyhound lol. It looks like malinois, dutch, with a gsd great grand parent. So yeah, KNPV Dutch go figure!

I would suggest getting a couple more opinions by taking at least 2 other non-affiliated companies DNA tests as well. (“Embark” also recognizes the Dutch Shepherd) I would try Wisdom, Embark, & maybe a company that doesn’t recognize the breed. I would be curious to hear how close the results were.
That might tell you how accurate the results are by Wisdom. Has anyone tried this & gotten the same exact results? If there are any discrepancies, you might have to question the accuracy & legitimacy of all the companies.
If someone already has afforded this, please share your results:)
Thanks

I just mailed off the Embark test for Radar.

I know I already have Wisdom results, but I think the response will be good information for the Dutch Shepherd Community.

I also did the complete health test this time.

As a reminder, Wisdom said Radar was 50% DS, 25% GSD, and 25% Mal.

Radar's Embark Test - In Progress...

The latest status...

I'm looking forward to seeing the results. I'm really curious what Bramble actually is.....but haven't had a lot of faith in the testing process.

ladyjubilee wrote: ↑Tue Feb 11, 2020 3:15 pm I'm looking forward to seeing the results.

Me too

I am looking to see if the results vary from the Wisdom test.

Also, I believe they will include information on any ancestors or siblings known which is really exciting to me. Finally, I opted for the complete genetic health test this time around, but I don't suspect any surprises there.

Wow, I just checked the prices...that's a lot more than a training session. I'll have to wait till there's a sale!

ladyjubilee wrote: ↑Tue Feb 11, 2020 11:15 pm I'll have to wait till there's a sale!

They did have a sale last December, and I am kicking myself for not doing it then. I'll probably do Leela when the next sale comes around.

I had both my boys tested because Tucker came to us at 4 weeks old. Someone had thrown them out of their car by our house. When we got him to the vet she told us he had about 24/48 hrs left to live. As he grew we thought he was a German Shepherd but he had brindle. I had never heard of a Dutch Shepherd at the time. We did wisdom panel and embark and they both came back the same. 25%dutch and 75% German. We then were asked to foster Levi. We decided to keep him. Tested the same way. 75%dutch 25% german. Crazy how they are exactly the opposite. You can totally see it though.

What do you think? Does Radar have any relatives out there that have been tested?

Radar's results are already available

Embark provides a TON of information.

First let me say that the breed result does NOT match with Wisdom.

Anyone want to guess?

Yes Embark does test for DS.

Radar's Wisdom result was as you stated, 50 DS, 25 Mal, and 25 GSD.

The Embark result was different.

Trying to generate a little suspense

I'll post the breed info soon, and the remaining stuff shortly after.

75% Dutch Shepherd, 25% Malinois?

Embark says that Radar is...



100% Dutch Shepherd!

I am still trying to process this. I know that 100% is quite rare, but maybe not so much on Embark. The DSF Facebook page has a couple of comments of folks that stated Embark had identified their dog as 100% Dutch Shepherd.

I am starting to feel like Wisdom maybe more accurate, because it makes more sense to me.

Maybe the truth is somewhere in the middle?

I am going to share some of his other information tomorrow...