Dutch Shepherd Forum

Marco got his BH and is showing off his medal

WOW, congrats! The medal ribbon even has the appropriate Dutch colors

YAY!!! Congrats! First step down!

Congrats!!

oh Marco - Congrats and you look ever so handsome wearing your medal!!! Congrats to your mommy too, but I know you did all the work!!

Congratulations! Neat medal too!

What kinds of things did they have you do for the practical portion? What org was it under (USA/DVG)?

It was a DVG trial but Marco participated with a score book from the Working Dutch Shepherd Association.

The routine is rather boring (you asked, here it is, now you must read it):

On leash about 50 steps heeling, about turn, about 10 steps normal, about 15 fast, about 15 slow, about 10 normal, right turn, about 10 steps, right turn, about 15 steps, about turn, about 7 steps, stop, basic position, about 7 more steps, left turn, into the group, left around a person, right around a person, stop. out of group, about turn, couple of steps, basic position, leash off, back into the group and the whole heeling routine again without a leash.
[Marco: "Mom, really, I just did the whole routine. I have to do it AGAIN !!!! there are some kitties I rather chase, PLEAAAASE" "Shut up, Marco, do as I say and I will not kill you tonight" ]

Then basic position and after about 15 steps: "sitz", walking 15 steps, turn around, wait for the judge to signal, back to dog, basic position, after about 15 steps: "platz" , 30 steps, turn around (yeah Marco still platz), wait for judge to signal, recall, sitz, basic position, back on lead, directed by judge to down position. Then down under distraction (in our case, feral cats, airplanes taking off ) while other dog does the obedience portion of the BH. After that comes the"traffic" portion, i.e. bicycle, jogger, platz in a group of people walking in circles, walking by a tied up dog, being the dog tied up and another dog wallking by.

Then mom has a well deserved Heineken

It doesn't sound all that difficult (and it isn't in theory) but keeping the dog excited doing this boring stuff is the main challenge.

What happened to the gun fire? That was such a wonderful selection tool. No more shooting?

Congrats to you and Marco though. Now on to??? (sch 1?)

vneerland wrote:What happened to the gun fire? That was such a wonderful selection tool. No more shooting?

Not in BH anymore, but in SCH I, or as they call it now, IPO I, they fire away

vneerland wrote: Congrats to you and Marco though. Now on to??? (sch 1?)

Thanks. Yeah, training hard towards SCH I. But we are a long shot away. Trials are always great to un-cover issues that need "more attention to detail" But we are in good hands with Phil [he won the 2012 DVG National Championship, for the 9th time (with 7 different dogs), so he must do something right ] I still can't believe he even bothers with us. He is really a great person and trainer.

Thanks! I'm always curious about the traffic portion as it can vary so much. Sounds like yours was pretty standard. Some judges come up with crazy stuff. Cats for a distraction would be tough!

The BH is soooooo much heeling! Although my first dog had the best heeling for her BH. Then it deteriorated over the years as I got lazy and wasn't rewarding shorter distances.

Judith - I think they got rid of the gun shot in the BH as it was used in Germany to determine temperament and they didn't want dogs failing the test and being euthanized just because they were sound sensitive.

Good luck working towards your IPO1! You'll get there. It's better to take longer and get it solid. So much of the 1 is the basis for the 2 and 3.

k9katet wrote:Judith - I think they got rid of the gun shot in the BH as it was used in Germany to determine temperament and they didn't want dogs failing the test and being euthanized just because they were sound sensitive.

I pesonally doubt that a German would put a dog down if it could not pass a BH. They'd sell it to the USA instead. (not totally kidding either)
For me, it used to be a temperament test, yes. And gun shy is potentially more than just sound sensitive. (potentially, not always) I'd say it's a good thing to weed out the ones that have no place in Schutzhund because they are bundles of bad nerves. But that's just me, pretty hard core still and not too much patience for covering up bad flaws by dumping requirements out of a test.
(and not at all related to Marco, of course)

Schlussdibusti wrote: SCH I, or as they call it now, IPO I,

ehm, that is not true, it is a different programm and title. It is almost the same, the only difference I know of is that in part C of IPO you have to call the dog out of the hide whilst barking at the helper, where in SchH you can go and stand next to the barking dog and give a heel command and move away from the helper together. Calling the dog out is much more difficult I like it more too

I know a lot of dogs that have both SchH and IPO tiltles, so they are not the same entirely

on the shooting, I think it is stupid too, but they apperently decided to do that because BH is also obligatory for SPH (tracking) examns where the shooting is not an issue

Marjolein wrote:

Schlussdibusti wrote: SCH I, or as they call it now, IPO I,

ehm, that is not true, it is a different programm and title.

This is from the DVG America website http://www.dvgamerica.com/rules.html:

New Trial Rules Info

GENERAL INFORMATION

- There will no longer be “SchH or VPG” titles, only IPO.
- The former WH title is gone!
- A minimum score of 80 in protection is no longer required to move on to the next level. A minimum of 70 points is sufficient for the dog to go to the next level.
- A Judge may judge up to a maximum of 36 parts in one day.
Note: It is still ok to present multiple scorebooks.

Have not read the link yet, but it does sound like they relaxed the rules.
Did Schutzhund USA do the same, or is this DVG only?

Schlussdibusti wrote: This is from the DVG America website http://www.dvgamerica.com/rules.html:

New Trial Rules Info

GENERAL INFORMATION

- There will no longer be “SchH or VPG” titles, only IPO.
- The former WH title is gone!
- A minimum score of 80 in protection is no longer required to move on to the next level. A minimum of 70 points is sufficient for the dog to go to the next level.
- A Judge may judge up to a maximum of 36 parts in one day.
Note: It is still ok to present multiple scorebooks.

that just states that they no longer do the other two programms, which is a good idea since they are pretty much the same. In Holland only a small group of GSD owners still do the SchH thing, everyone else does IPO. In Germany you can still do all 3

What title do you get nowadays at a German DVG trial, IPO or SCH? Are you saying that depends what the club decides? DVG and SV are members of the FCI and should judge according to IPO rules otherwise they might ruin the dogs chances to compete internationally, i.e. having a SCH title and not an IPO.

Schlussdibusti wrote:What title do you get nowadays at a German DVG trial, IPO or SCH? Are you saying that depends what the club decides? DVG and SV are members of the FCI and should judge according to IPO rules otherwise they might ruin the dogs chances to compete internationally, i.e. having a SCH title and not an IPO.

No, YOU, the handler decides what programm you want to do, before you start, obviously The judge can judge all programm in one day, but I believe only SV approved judges can do the SchH. But most (all??) VPG/IPO judges in Germany are SV approved
For a GSD it makes no sense doing IPO or VPG if they want to breed, since you will not get the correct papers (don't know all about that, something with red or yellow papers or whatever), SV only accepts SchH for the "ankörung". The rest you could do for fun, or to be able to say "my dogs has this and that".
For Rottweilers, I remember it was the VPG that counted, and then the IPO was the extra. The ADRK wanted dogs to be VPG. All others, and all the Dutch people did IPO at our club, except the Dutch with GSD 'çause they want to breed under VDH (Dutch SV) who also values the SchH programm. In Holland VDH also had a different programm, not sure what they call that anymore...

Also, like I said, one dog can have SchH3 AND IPO3, or SchH2 and VPG3 and IPO1 etc.
You follow? Pretty complicated stuff...

Holy crap

I just saw a letter from DVG Headquarters to the Florida club I am traing with.

First of all, all American DVG clubs get their correspondence from DVG Headquarters in GERMAN not English. How ignorant!!! So it's up to the clubs to have it translated. Pffft

I just flew over the pages (8 pages, small print) and it looks like the DVG voted not to be a member of the VDH anymore. Looking at this "organizational structure of dog clubs" http://www.dvgamerica.com/abcsdvg.html, I wonder what that all means. Not a member of the DHV = not a member of FCI?

The DVG of America considered leaving the German DVG, I begin to understand why.