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Kuranda Crate Bed Question

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Happy Sunday to everyone!

I have a question b4 I order a Kuranda Crate bed for Taki AKA "The Destroyer"

I have a XL Midwest crate and want to order the Kuranda Crate Bed but have two questions.

1. Is the Aluminum frame better and worth the xtra 30-40 bucks? Any one have "poly resin" frame chewed inside the crate?

2. Do I go for the ballistic nylon or the cordura nylon or vinyl?

I was just wondering as I know man y owners (or owned by's :DSlove: ) have these.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated so I can order one from Gerry at Kuranda asap.

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Greg,

Personally I'm not a fan of putting anything in the crate with a young dog. I don't like the idea of leaving something to be destroyed and eaten.
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icvanstra wrote:Greg,

Personally I'm not a fan of putting anything in the crate with a young dog. I don't like the idea of leaving something to be destroyed and eaten.
I agree. I might get a thick horse stall mat and cut it to size and secure it, depending on the dog, but I prefer nothing when I'm gone and they can work their way up to a towel or rubber mat as they learn proper crate behavior and get out of the chewing stage. I have an XL crate for Odin and his ears are sometimes poking out the top. I would imagine adding a cot like bed wouldn't give much room to stand and sit up when the dog gets older.
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Well. some xlnt points...I had planned to leave the 3" legs offand that would would leave 32-33" of height-which at 47 lbs her ears will have 2-3" of clearance with a legless Kurunda.....also the aluminum Kurunda frame would be attached at the four corners of the crate so she cant flip it.

I am more worried she might break a tooth if she chews on the crate but I am an "over worrier". :eew:

I was not aware she could destroy an aluminum framed Kurunda and I am hesitant to see her "deserge" a horse mat. :shock: I just want her up off the plastic tray but will defer if the risk factor is that high. I don't want the fur worn off her joints from laying on a hard surface. She runs with me at least 3-5 miles a day, on grass, so I want a soft area for her to lay relative to a hard tray.

Thanks for the advice....I will call my horse friends and inquire on that thick stall mat concept.

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PS...Steph..How big is Odin at the shoulders and how much does he weigh?
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I have a Kuranda bed in Hendrix's crate since he's still small-ish. I have the white poly material and it wears well. A few scratch marks on it. Also have the ballistic nylon and it holds up well if Taki is a digger you'll see marks where the nails scratch the material. But so far no fraying or holes. Also really easy to wipe down and sanitize in case of accidents. I introduced it to him first outside of the crate and once he knew not to chew it, I transitioned it into his crate with hopes this time the lesson would stick. I don't know about leaving the legs off... wouldn't really help either as the fabric sits squarely in the middle of frame and you'd lose the "hammock" part of the bed. It does stretch out a bit as the dog lays down on it and the 3" clearance underneath ends up being like half an inch when Hendix curls up and lays down.

The only reason he has a bed in his crate in the first place is he destroyed all other attempts at "padding" from towels to horse stall mats. He ate the plastic tray in the crate… and the wood we put down after that… and the towels… the list gets long. He also was barely sleeping and with a clean vet bill we were stumped. He was trying to eat the bars next when we tried this bed. The Kuranda bed is the only thing he hasn't tried to chew so either the training stuck this time or it's how it's designed and fits inside the crate. Hendrix has a 42" wire crate and the bed has maybe an inch of clearance on either side, and he hasn't been able to flip it it yet. But I would try what Stephanie suggested first before getting a Kuranda; might be all you need!
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LyonsFamily wrote:
icvanstra wrote:Greg,

Personally I'm not a fan of putting anything in the crate with a young dog. I don't like the idea of leaving something to be destroyed and eaten.
I agree. I might get a thick horse stall mat and cut it to size and secure it, depending on the dog, but I prefer nothing when I'm gone and they can work their way up to a towel or rubber mat as they learn proper crate behavior and get out of the chewing stage. I have an XL crate for Odin and his ears are sometimes poking out the top. I would imagine adding a cot like bed wouldn't give much room to stand and sit up when the dog gets older.
I third that and second Stephanie's advice.
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Thanks for the info regarding Hendrix and the Kurunda...I tried Taki in the crate with just the plastic liner and went up the street. Our alarm system has cameras inside the house and one is focused on the XL crate and I can view it though my smartphone. Taki started to go at the edge of the liner as it is a raised lip all the way around it so I came back in and nixed that idea. I spoke to my friend who has two horses and six dogs, two of which are mega chewers, and she uses the Kurunda beds in crates for the two that chew and four Kurundas out in a heated garage for their other hunting dogs.

Not sure how big Hendrix is but Taki is smallish and Ashely has told me she will not exceed 50-55 lbs so she does not have a lot of vertical left in her, I hope, as she is 22" at the shoulders at 9 months and just finished her 1st estrus. The "trick", I think, besides our jogging I just got access to an 11 acre fenced flat pasture and I will "wind sprint" with a chuckit to tire her out before I attempt to crate her..That way she will just want to to sleep after 2 miles of chuckit (35 x 50yds out and back). The pasture is very "cushiony" grass and its more of an anaerobic work out when you just give 60 seconds of rest between throws(no bloat as she eats 1 cup of food 4 hours before). That takes her from "ten" toddlers down to "two" toddlers :tired:

I guess I am at a loss of the concept of the kurunda crate bed if it is less destructible than the plastic tray or a horse stall mat-why not use it? I can't really pull the tray and let her lay on the wire of the crate?

How old is Hendrix and how big is he?

Thanks so much for all the info...sounds like a possibility as if Hendrix chewed the horse stall mat-it sounds as if Taki would too. We just had a 300 dollar visit to the vet as Taki had SIBO(Clostridum) and she is on Flagyl, Endsorb and Fast Balance GI paste. :huh: She was 42 lbs when we got her and in two weeks she had gained 5 lbs and then got the cow pies...so she won't be crated until I get this to clear up. The new vet I have is awesome and the Endsorb/Fast Balance/Flagyl treatment is working wonders!

I have no money for booze as the Vets get all my available cash from me! :eek:

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Well I don't want to ignore a "third" recommendation for the horse stall mat....But can anyone tell me what the issue with the aluminum framed/ballistic nylon kurunda bed is if her ears won't hit the top of the crate and she cant flip the bed? I'm "slow" on getting what exactly would happen to the kurunda bed or taki if I spend 135 for the most indestructible crate bed(aluminum framed) on the market. Otherwise...Why has not someone marketed a horse stall mat for the Midwest crates if it is a more viable option than a kurunda?
Ted Summers...lets start marketing these!

I've spent 7500 on vet bills since November losing my Malinois...I don't want Taki ingesting a horse stall mat as she can chew the end off a 10"nylabone in a day!

No ingestion of foreign objects keeps me watching her 16/7/365 as she gets into everything!

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Well… in general the idea is less things in the crate they can chew/ingest to cause obstructions until they are old enough to know/be trained better and not be driven to chew as puppies who are teething can. I'm going to leave it at that and let the more experienced people define it better then I can.

As for the horse stall mats, they're basically thick rubber mats. Some examples are here: https://www.rubberflooringinc.com/horse-stall-mats.html
https://www.farmtek.com/farm/supplies/c ... _wall.html

They come in different varieties but they are more comfortable to stand/lay on. When I tried it with Hendrix he managed to chew a hole starting at the top in a corner. We had a large piece we cut down to size. Not saying every dog will do this and Taki probably wouldn't be able to chew a hole through it. It took him about 45 minutes to get a nice hole. I blame the sharp puppy teeth he had that have now thankfully been replaced. Now, there is also a very good possibility we got a defective or lower quality mat, as I used to ride horses and never saw a rubber mat get destroyed that easily. I would and will try it again as he gets bigger. If you have horse friends, you could see if they have any old or maybe extra pieces lying around that you could test Taki with. Or maybe put her in an empty, clean stall and see what she does.

As for the vertical space… for the dog to be comfortable you want a crate the dog can sit up and stand up in without having to crouch. It's kind of the equivalent of us sleeping in a recliner or an airline seat. I mean if I had to rest in an airline seat for the rest of my life I wouldn't be happy. If Taki is on the smaller side it may not be an issue or it may be.

He's 5 months, 35 lbs after some food intolerance problems we've finally ironed out (he's now gaining), and… probably closer to 16"-18" at the shoulder. He won't hold still for me to correctly measure him. He'll be towards 65-70 lbs fully grown.

When you were watching her with the plastic, how long did she try to chew it? Was it test nibbles or the "hey this is kinda fun… let's eat it!" chewing? Have you also tried spraying it down with apple bitters? Sounds like you're doing fantastic with the exercise regimen. Do you play any "thinking" games with her? I know I see a difference in the crate if I play any game where my guy has to think and learn.

And don't feel too bad about the vet; my vet's staff know my voice with how many times I call them. It's usually with a "what do I do if my dog swallowed a lysol wipe?" or "so how big is too big again?" question. Once he even swallowed a glove the vet tech left lying around when he was back there getting weighed. Boy were they sheepish when they had to explain what happened and why he was drugged up. Another DS owner I know has some pretty funny stories about what his has swallowed too.
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I started Cino in a wire crate and his teeth can prove it.

He gnawed on the wires to the point he wore grooves in his canines.
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Eric are you suggesting I should start her in a plastic crate? They have a wire front door as well so I don't know how to avoid that. :huh:

Yikes..the more I ask the more scared I get about crating her. :duh:



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I believe what Eric is saying is starting a puppy/dog in a wire crate, who has never been crated and therefor taught how to act in a crate, for crating is probably not the best idea, and I would agree. Some dogs/breeds are fine starting in wire crates others aren't. My friends shizt-a-poo or whatever shits-cross it is is 4 months and in a wire crate, no problems. Some people in my PSA group only crate in plastic crates. However, Taki is 9 months, and a plastic crate *may* be an option for the bars - they're smaller holes than a wire crate and generally thicker. Harder to get gnawing on.

Has Taki ever been crate trained? How did she do in a previous crate? Do you know what her previous crate was like? Some dogs prefer the plastic ones to the wire ones. Some want it covered and others want it open. Does she do training every day, in obedience or house manners or learning a new game? That can help a lot with the chewing - sometimes they go Destructor because they're bored. Even with the exercise if she's not mentally exercised she could be seeking out chewing as a form of self entertainment. There are many possible reasons and explanations… Some days if I forget to do obedience with Hendrix I see his chewing needs go up. Sometimes you have to think of all angles with these guys and experiment because their needs change just like us. Is it physical/mental exercise, training, fear, or what the dog is more comfortable with? The puzzles they give us can sometimes be a challenge.
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A long time ago, someone posted pictures of what their dog did to aluminum. In that discussion, general consensus was a durable plastic was better than aluminum and metal bars (the latter of which teeth get worn/broken if they decide to chew). I'm sorry I can't remember the names of the plastic crates to avoid and those that have proven to hold up exceptionally well even with top working dogs. (I'll try to find the information, though.)
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I think I misread your post, but remembered which crates weren't recommended (and since I have the info, I'll share): Remington, Tractor Supply brand and Walmart brand.
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I'm not sure Odin's height. He's really tall though and 72lbs. I can measure him later some time.

I think my main concern other than the lack of height room and the addition of things being chewed is the stability of standing on a cot like bed. I'm not sure how that would be on growing bones, but I know it's hard to balance standing on a cot, so I would think she'd only really be able to lay down.

I have 2 plastic crates, and Odin's XL crate, but Odin spent most of his younger days in an xpen if he needed to be crated. I much prefer xpens to crates because they have so much room and can have toys in there and stay in there when I'm home too which makes for less separation anxiety when I'm gone. It's also nice when visitors are over for a gradual introduction. They have more heavy duty ones that can be secured to a wall for better security. I'd also put a horse stall mat and fit a PVC frame tight to the edges on the bottom so the mat can't be pulled up.

Going with a crate, if the dog is a chewer, taking the tray out and putting the cage over something might be an answer. The wire from the bottom doesn't seem to bother the dogs and you'd still have that softer surface on the bottom.
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Wow...thanks for all the info everyone. Taki is really a lot for me to worry about with her BM probs right now and after losing Razor the Mali to Protein Losing Enteropathy I am "all over this" problem foremost.

Thanks Steph, Raven and OBHendrix....I appreciate all the info; sincerely.

The Xpen is a good idea for sure but I don't know how that would go .....Perhaps I will just buy the biggest plastic crate as suggested. For sure I am not leaving the house til this is resolved with her BM probs unless she is with me. The wife is not happy that I am missing all sorts of social commitments but Taki comes first when she is having Medical probs.

I do exercise her alot to keep her mind and body in shape.....The standing on a cot got me thinking even if it is alright to exercise her as vigorously as I do. She loves to play chuckit in the pasture and if standing on a cot is not good for her; I wonder what running full tilt across a horse pasture back and forth is doing.
I am thinking almost like I am handling a Ming Vase...Not a dog.... :doh:

I better take a Xanax and regroup :shock:

Any brand of Plastic Crate Recommended?

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A couple more things from a prior thread:

The brands I mentioned that weren't recommended was due to flimsy plastic/construction. Perhaps suitable for a Chia pet, but....

A breeder used a 40/27/30 500 plastic crate. (I think they also used these for shipping, albeit padlocked.) Someone else had a Vari 400 for sleeping only, BUT their dog wasn't fully grown yet, but for the time, it worked well.

A couple more pros for sturdy plastic: supplies a constant "den-like" environment (which can also aid in remaining calm/calming down) as opposed to tossing a blanket over a bar crate if need be; and...and...and I can't remember what the other pro was. :(
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Raven(and all the DSF memberS0

Thanks! I will get one. 500 series or larger.....

I really appreciate all the advice from everyone(taki does too) and y'all being patient with me. Hopefully if I disagreed with anyone I did so with no offense meant-you all are family to Taki and I ;)

I am hardheaded and need to listen to you guys and gals with all the3 experience :doh:

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I'm not speaking for Stephanie in regard to your cot vs. pasture concern, but I see a difference between the two (barring woodchuck holes and other such natural incidentals of the latter) in that movement in a crate is static, especially in comparison.

We should have an on-going petty-cash fund available for new Dutch owners/DS puppy owners/owners beginning training to buy themselves ample amounts of alcohol. Until then...this one's for you. :pint:

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Thanks Raven....

Actually I am the lucky one. Out of all the dogs in my life..Taki is the sweetest and kindest to people.
She is so joyful and happy that it brightens every moment of the day!

We are all blessed to have our Dutch Shepherds as they are each so special in their own way!

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