How closely related are DS and Malinois?

[brindledog]

I've now had several people stop and ask if Grendel is a Malinois , including one guy with an adult Malinois. My neighbor has a DS and a Malinois, so I'm familiar with their appearance as adults. however, after googling pictures, I see Grendel really does look like a Malinois puppy, with the addition of some stripes. The other two puppies I saw from her litter looked exactly like Malinoises and had no stripes at all. The owner said others had commented the same.

I was really struck by a Wikipedia photo of Malinois puppy- it could be mistaken for Grendel!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malinois_ ... _Logan.jpg

I know DS and malinois are closely related- but how closely? Is it possible Grendel's mom was actually DS/Malinois, or is there really not much difference between them other than coat color/drive?

She's certainly crazy but she does relax and "turn off." (thankfully!)

Lisa/Tastie

[Dutchringgirl]

we have had this discussion before with some great discussions. Can you do a search and see if that answers your questions?

[brindledog]

I just read some of the posts. Seems like there is no definite answer!
Either way, Grendel is gorgeous and a great, crazy puppy!

I'm surprised that there aren't more GSD/DS mixes. I would think that would be a popular mix since GSD seem to have a rep for being a bit less independent and have the touted "off switch.

I'm banking on the GSD half of Grendel to make my life a little easier as she grows up....


Lisa G.

[Dutchringgirl]

They are very close. Basically, if you have a fawn dog, its a Mal, if it has stripes, its a DS. There are subtle differences but over all they are very very close.

[k9lexi]

If you have a fawn dog, it is a mal?

[Dutchringgirl]

If a DS throws a fawn you could register it as a mal or a DS. My old trainer had a fawn DS

[k9lexi]

I had not heard that before. Learn something new every week.

[Dutchringgirl]

The chances are pretty slim. Christie had posted about that a while ago. there was a good thread about genetics. Do a search for it, it is interesting.

[k9lexi]

I hadn't ever thought about a fawn colored dutch shepherd but Cher Car had a little with one real cute pic of siblings on their website . Has the fawn, blue, and black siblings in the pic. Yep, guess it was rare and that is why they posted.

[brindledog]

Interesting. The other two females in Grendel's litter looked exactly like malinois pups. I didn't see the males as they had all already been taken. But her sisters were all fawn except for black mask and I believe some slight darkening around feet maybe. No stripes at all.
I actually have a bit of a concern about Grendel's dad...supposedly it was the big male GSD on the property. However, there was another dog on the property that turned out to be Grendel's older brother. Def a mix of the GSD and Grendel's mom. According to the owner, the older brother was about 9 months old. Given the appearance of both Grendel and her sisters, I'm now wondering if there's a chance that the older brother is actually the father.
The vet said that, while not great, such a breeding would probably not be harmful. I hope not!

[Mark77]

If you have a fawn dog, it is a mal?

Yes. My female Asia's litter had three other "Duchie" siblings and I think about six Malinois siblings. The dogs were primarily sold to police departments if I remember right. I know her one brother, a Mal is a Narcotics dog. She on the other hand is striped so she's a Dutchie.

Kind of like Black Labs and Yellow Labs- all from the same littler.


http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/dutch_s ... ptons-asia

[Dutchringgirl]

A fawn Ds can be registered as either.

[LyonsFamily]

A fawn Ds can be registered as either.

Not really. UKC, AKC, and most FCI countries don't allow it. The dog is registered as the parents' breed and listed as a fault color. Cross breeding is not allowed in most kennel clubs, even though it is a somewhat common practice for our breed. Most dogs with mal/DS parents are not registered in any official capacity, unless you're registering under a performance listing for non-conformation events. Only in open studbook countries can you register based on appearance with certain other conditions met. Puerto Rico still allows it if a judge views the dog in some official capacity.

In KNPV, it would be listed as an DSX or MalX, but they're not really a registry in the sense that most think about it. With sports registries such as USDAA, WCRL, CPE, etc you could pick either, but they're not a studbook and don't track pedigrees or require photographs. Most don't consider them a registry, but rather a titling venue.

[Dutchringgirl]

oooooooooh thanks for the clarification, I always thought you could.

[Mark77]

I think with UKC they have to have at least three to five generations of the same breed. I know when I spoke to them on the phone they said also that I couldn't register a dog that was crossed with other dogs. I got Riddick registered and I think there might be a few Mal's in the lines way back but other than that, he's got all Dutchies. I need to update the pics in the database, he's filled out a lot since those were taken. He's easily about fifteen pounds heavier now.

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/dutch_s ... -sellmeyer