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Genetics

Post by Steve Gossmeyer » Sun Apr 22, 2018 6:36 pm

People really need to consider the genetics when researching a breed such as a malinois dutch shepherd or even pitbull! Too many people are getting dutchies because they are cool looking... and I'm seeing more and more of the pitbull advocate mentality towards our beloved brindle shepherds.. remember you can't change a person's eye color from loving them or raising them a certain way... same goes for genetics in dogs! You cant change a dutchie NY raising it a certain way. You can train it and socialize it and manage instincts and drives but you can't raise them out of them
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Re: Genetics

Post by Dutchringgirl » Sun Apr 22, 2018 6:42 pm

Well Said !!!!
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Re: Genetics

Post by oddbird » Sun Apr 22, 2018 11:31 pm

Confession: posts like this make me nervous about my rescue. Granted, I found a very credible training facility (owner titled with his DS in FR and trainers all work with DS and Malinois as well as own their own), but when I adopted him, I had no idea he was a Dutch Shepherd until someone told me that’s what he might be. I thought I was getting a GSD mix (thinking: awesome! He will probably be a little more chill! :roll: ). I have a small dog already who has been my best friend for 9 years and want to start a family in a few years and I am so nervous that the pup I adopted is going to bite someone or my older dog one day once he has matured and developed the protection instinct. My pup is part of the family now though so we have committed to some very expensive (for us) private lessons for an hour once a week and lots of at home training and activities.

I want to pick a dog sport to get him into once he is a bit older and has finished his obedience training, but being a noob in dog sports I am not sure how to find the one best for him!
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Re: Genetics

Post by Steve Gossmeyer » Mon Apr 23, 2018 12:42 am

oddbird wrote:
Sun Apr 22, 2018 11:31 pm
Confession: posts like this make me nervous about my rescue. Granted, I found a very credible training facility (owner titled with his DS in FR and trainers all work with DS and Malinois as well as own their own), but when I adopted him, I had no idea he was a Dutch Shepherd until someone told me that’s what he might be. I thought I was getting a GSD mix (thinking: awesome! He will probably be a little more chill! :roll: ). I have a small dog already who has been my best friend for 9 years and want to start a family in a few years and I am so nervous that the pup I adopted is going to bite someone or my older dog one day once he has matured and developed the protection instinct. My pup is part of the family now though so we have committed to some very expensive (for us) private lessons for an hour once a week and lots of at home training and activities.

I want to pick a dog sport to get him into once he is a bit older and has finished his obedience training, but being a noob in dog sports I am not sure how to find the one best for him!
Sounds like you have a good trainer and are going to be just fine... honestly stick with your trainer and do ringsport

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Re: Genetics

Post by centrop67 » Mon Apr 23, 2018 1:45 am

I run this forum, and I am always second guessing my capability to have such a wonderful dog. Honestly, I am always trying to find ways to keep up with him - to give him the outlets he needs. If he wasn't hyper dog-reactive I would have him in every contest I could find.

He can jump higher, run faster, and pretty much outshine any dog I've ever seen, and it kills me regularly that I am not capable of taking advantage of that.

What I probably need is for Steve to come down here and kick me in the ass - also we can go fishing offshore on days off.
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Re: Genetics

Post by oddbird » Mon Apr 23, 2018 1:48 am

centrop67 wrote:
Mon Apr 23, 2018 1:45 am
I run this forum, and I am always second guessing my capability to have such a wonderful dog. Honestly, I am always trying to find ways to keep up with him - to give him the outlets he needs. If he wasn't hyper dog-reactive I would have him in every contest I could find.

He can jump higher, run faster, and pretty much outshine any dog I've ever seen, and it kills me regularly that I am not capable of taking advantage of that.

What I probably need is for Steve to come down here and kick me in the ass - also we can go fishing offshore on days off.
Can I have an invite to that party? :lol: I’ve been known to be good luck on fishing boats too!
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Re: Genetics

Post by centrop67 » Mon Apr 23, 2018 1:51 am

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Re: Genetics

Post by Steve Gossmeyer » Mon Apr 23, 2018 3:05 am

centrop67 wrote:
Mon Apr 23, 2018 1:45 am
I run this forum, and I am always second guessing my capability to have such a wonderful dog. Honestly, I am always trying to find ways to keep up with him - to give him the outlets he needs. If he wasn't hyper dog-reactive I would have him in every contest I could find.

He can jump higher, run faster, and pretty much outshine any dog I've ever seen, and it kills me regularly that I am not capable of taking advantage of that.

What I probably need is for Steve to come down here and kick me in the ass - also we can go fishing offshore on days off.
Hmmm of we are catching sharks I'm totally in!!!! Let's set something up!

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Re: Genetics

Post by Dutchringgirl » Mon Apr 23, 2018 10:53 am

Steve Gossmeyer wrote:
Mon Apr 23, 2018 12:42 am
oddbird wrote:
Sun Apr 22, 2018 11:31 pm
Confession: posts like this make me nervous about my rescue. Granted, I found a very credible training facility (owner titled with his DS in FR and trainers all work with DS and Malinois as well as own their own), but when I adopted him, I had no idea he was a Dutch Shepherd until someone told me that’s what he might be. I thought I was getting a GSD mix (thinking: awesome! He will probably be a little more chill! :roll: ). I have a small dog already who has been my best friend for 9 years and want to start a family in a few years and I am so nervous that the pup I adopted is going to bite someone or my older dog one day once he has matured and developed the protection instinct. My pup is part of the family now though so we have committed to some very expensive (for us) private lessons for an hour once a week and lots of at home training and activities.

I want to pick a dog sport to get him into once he is a bit older and has finished his obedience training, but being a noob in dog sports I am not sure how to find the one best for him!
Sounds like you have a good trainer and are going to be just fine... honestly stick with your trainer and do ringsport
YES do ring sport !!!! OMG it is so much fun !! I did it with Thalie and my Mal for years. I miss it so much
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Re: Genetics

Post by Steve Gossmeyer » Mon Apr 23, 2018 2:52 pm

Dutchringgirl wrote:
Mon Apr 23, 2018 10:53 am
Steve Gossmeyer wrote:
Mon Apr 23, 2018 12:42 am
oddbird wrote:
Sun Apr 22, 2018 11:31 pm
Confession: posts like this make me nervous about my rescue. Granted, I found a very credible training facility (owner titled with his DS in FR and trainers all work with DS and Malinois as well as own their own), but when I adopted him, I had no idea he was a Dutch Shepherd until someone told me that’s what he might be. I thought I was getting a GSD mix (thinking: awesome! He will probably be a little more chill! :roll: ). I have a small dog already who has been my best friend for 9 years and want to start a family in a few years and I am so nervous that the pup I adopted is going to bite someone or my older dog one day once he has matured and developed the protection instinct. My pup is part of the family now though so we have committed to some very expensive (for us) private lessons for an hour once a week and lots of at home training and activities.

I want to pick a dog sport to get him into once he is a bit older and has finished his obedience training, but being a noob in dog sports I am not sure how to find the one best for him!
Sounds like you have a good trainer and are going to be just fine... honestly stick with your trainer and do ringsport
YES do ring sport !!!! OMG it is so much fun !! I did it with Thalie and my Mal for years. I miss it so much
I used to do ring too! I loved it I just prefer ipo
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Re: Genetics

Post by oddbird » Mon Apr 23, 2018 6:53 pm

Dutchringgirl wrote:
Mon Apr 23, 2018 10:53 am
Steve Gossmeyer wrote:
Mon Apr 23, 2018 12:42 am
oddbird wrote:
Sun Apr 22, 2018 11:31 pm
Confession: posts like this make me nervous about my rescue. Granted, I found a very credible training facility (owner titled with his DS in FR and trainers all work with DS and Malinois as well as own their own), but when I adopted him, I had no idea he was a Dutch Shepherd until someone told me that’s what he might be. I thought I was getting a GSD mix (thinking: awesome! He will probably be a little more chill! :roll: ). I have a small dog already who has been my best friend for 9 years and want to start a family in a few years and I am so nervous that the pup I adopted is going to bite someone or my older dog one day once he has matured and developed the protection instinct. My pup is part of the family now though so we have committed to some very expensive (for us) private lessons for an hour once a week and lots of at home training and activities.

I want to pick a dog sport to get him into once he is a bit older and has finished his obedience training, but being a noob in dog sports I am not sure how to find the one best for him!
Sounds like you have a good trainer and are going to be just fine... honestly stick with your trainer and do ringsport
YES do ring sport !!!! OMG it is so much fun !! I did it with Thalie and my Mal for years. I miss it so much
Once we get to that point, my understanding is that the owner will have to evaluate him before being able to start the training for it.
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Re: Genetics

Post by Dutchringgirl » Mon Apr 23, 2018 6:56 pm

oddbird wrote:
Mon Apr 23, 2018 6:53 pm


Once we get to that point, my understanding is that the owner will have to evaluate him before being able to start the training for it.
What do you mean? Ring or IPO is a great outlet, you do not have to compete, but you both learn so much and it is a great outlet for the dog.
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Re: Genetics

Post by Steve Gossmeyer » Mon Apr 23, 2018 7:39 pm

Dutchringgirl wrote:
Mon Apr 23, 2018 6:56 pm
oddbird wrote:
Mon Apr 23, 2018 6:53 pm


Once we get to that point, my understanding is that the owner will have to evaluate him before being able to start the training for it.
What do you mean? Ring or IPO is a great outlet, you do not have to compete, but you both learn so much and it is a great outlet for the dog.
Probably wants to make sure the dog has the drive

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Re: Genetics

Post by oddbird » Tue Apr 24, 2018 12:05 am

Steve Gossmeyer wrote:
Mon Apr 23, 2018 7:39 pm
Dutchringgirl wrote:
Mon Apr 23, 2018 6:56 pm
oddbird wrote:
Mon Apr 23, 2018 6:53 pm


Once we get to that point, my understanding is that the owner will have to evaluate him before being able to start the training for it.
What do you mean? Ring or IPO is a great outlet, you do not have to compete, but you both learn so much and it is a great outlet for the dog.
Probably wants to make sure the dog has the drive
Yes, exactly what Steve said.
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Re: Genetics

Post by Joxgirl » Tue Apr 24, 2018 7:27 pm

Steve Gossmeyer wrote:
Mon Apr 23, 2018 3:05 am
centrop67 wrote:
Mon Apr 23, 2018 1:45 am


What I probably need is for Steve to come down here and kick me in the ass - also we can go fishing offshore on days off.
Hmmm of we are catching sharks I'm totally in!!!! Let's set something up!

WTH Steve, your land shark is not enough for you? Sounds like Michael is looking for relaxing and catching pretty little fish on a big boat, FOR FUN. Not tackling sharks in the big blue deep. Ha ha ha. :shark:
I want to jump on that boat ride too.
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Re: Genetics

Post by Steve Gossmeyer » Wed Apr 25, 2018 2:45 am

Joxgirl wrote:
Tue Apr 24, 2018 7:27 pm
Steve Gossmeyer wrote:
Mon Apr 23, 2018 3:05 am
centrop67 wrote:
Mon Apr 23, 2018 1:45 am


What I probably need is for Steve to come down here and kick me in the ass - also we can go fishing offshore on days off.
Hmmm of we are catching sharks I'm totally in!!!! Let's set something up!

WTH Steve, your land shark is not enough for you? Sounds like Michael is looking for relaxing and catching pretty little fish on a big boat, FOR FUN. Not tackling sharks in the big blue deep. Ha ha ha. :shark:
I want to jump on that boat ride too.
Haha I fish for mako, blue and threshers out here! If I'm going offshore it's for something big! Tuna or marlin work too

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Re: Genetics

Post by Joxgirl » Wed Apr 25, 2018 4:46 am

Steve Gossmeyer wrote:
Wed Apr 25, 2018 2:45 am
Joxgirl wrote:
Tue Apr 24, 2018 7:27 pm
Steve Gossmeyer wrote:
Mon Apr 23, 2018 3:05 am


Hmmm of we are catching sharks I'm totally in!!!! Let's set something up!

WTH Steve, your land shark is not enough for you? Sounds like Michael is looking for relaxing and catching pretty little fish on a big boat, FOR FUN. Not tackling sharks in the big blue deep. Ha ha ha. :shark:
I want to jump on that boat ride too.
Haha I fish for mako, blue and threshers out here! If I'm going offshore it's for something big! Tuna or marlin work too
I like to fish, but I rather float. You boys can catch the dinner before you cook it up.
Saralee
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Steve Gossmeyer
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Re: Genetics

Post by Steve Gossmeyer » Wed Apr 25, 2018 4:37 pm

Joxgirl wrote:
Wed Apr 25, 2018 4:46 am
Steve Gossmeyer wrote:
Wed Apr 25, 2018 2:45 am
Joxgirl wrote:
Tue Apr 24, 2018 7:27 pm


WTH Steve, your land shark is not enough for you? Sounds like Michael is looking for relaxing and catching pretty little fish on a big boat, FOR FUN. Not tackling sharks in the big blue deep. Ha ha ha. :shark:
I want to jump on that boat ride too.
Haha I fish for mako, blue and threshers out here! If I'm going offshore it's for something big! Tuna or marlin work too
I like to fish, but I rather float. You boys can catch the dinner before you cook it


I thought you were cooking?

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Re: Genetics

Post by Joxgirl » Wed Apr 25, 2018 4:51 pm

Come on Guy! You catch it, you clean it, you cook it. I’ll make the salad. :salad:
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